Which Germino amp?

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  1. haslar

    haslar Member

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    I've just joigned a working AC/DC cover band, and I'm playing Malcolm's parts.
    We are really dedicated to reproducing ACDC's show, and that includes getting the right tone.

    I currently play a stock '70 Superlead through a stock '75 4x12" (with G12M blackbacks).
    I usually play through the High Sensitivity Treble Channel, everything at noon, except volume between 1 and 2.
    It sounds awesome, and it gets pretty close to Malcolm's tone, if a bit too gainy - but I use PAF style pickups, which doesn't help. I'm getting Filtertrons installed in the next few days.

    Malcolm uses mostly an early 70s superbass, and sometimes a 60s JTM45/100, I believe.
    IMO his tone is rather clean, with hair on top, and has an iron-fisted bass & authority.

    What I'd need:
    - An amp that *nails* Malcolm's tone (e.g. "For Those About to Rock", "T.N.T", "You Shook Me All Night Long"...)
    - Absolutely 100% roadworthy (my '70 SL becoming a backup amp)
    - the right power for playing from 50 to 500 seaters (and I'll have my old 100-watter for the big gigs anyway)

    So: What Germino head should I get?
    I'm set up on a Germino amp so please no recommandation for other makers.

    Also: should I get a 4x12" with G12H30s, or should I keep on rockin' my blackback G12Ms?

    Many thanks !!


     
  2. riffmeister

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    I'd say Club 40

    or ask Greg for the definitive answer (he's very helpful & knowledgable)
     
  3. haslar

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    I was actually thinking Club40, also.

    I did send Greg an email, we'll see what he thinks.

    Any other opinions?
     
  4. ROKY

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    Club40 w/ the SS rect & higher voltage PT option for more punch & kick
    but still keeping the JTM voicing & reasonable volume levels.

    Driving a 4X12 cab w/ a tweaked Club40 should work well for the 50-500 capacity clubs.

    The Fillmore 100 would, also, be cool, though; basically a 100w Club40
    If you want the muscle of a 100w-er the Fillmore would be one to look at.
     
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    Greg will most likely give you the best answer. I've only owned the Club 40 and Masonette. I'd say if you went with the C40 you should go with the solid state rectifier for sure, the tube rect. is great but a bit spongy for Malcom tone. Many here love the C45 also....
    Get the head and try your cab out with it, before you drop more $$ on another cab.
    I'll be curious to hear Greg's answer in regards to the amp choice.
     
  6. ROKY

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    Yeah, I think the SS rect is a must.

    Also as the OP mentioned getting the filtertrons will be very important..
     
  7. Fireball XL5

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    Not knocking Germino here... Greg builds a great amp and I own 2 myself... but IMHO, you're already there with the rig you already have!

    That AC/DC (Malcolm tone and vibe) is all about a certain attitude as well as your hands and heart. No reason you shouldn't nail it with your current rig IMO.

    Malcolm's tone is pretty clean, bell-like, and ballsy to my ears so nailing his tone with a lower wattage amp is going to be tough IMO. Too much compression when you attack the strings on those big open chords.
     
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    I would wait until you get the pickups intalled, that's a big part of that tone.
     
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    And 13's. I read somewhere that Malcom destroys about 3 or 4 picks anight because he's beating the big fat strings on his guitar.

    f.w.i.w. . .the same article said Angus used 9's. . .I find that hard to believe.
     
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    I think the Classic 45 will be better for you. It has more headroom than the Club 40. I owned both. The Classic 45, a cab with greenbacks, a guitar with filterons, and you are right there with Malcomn.
     
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    Headroom 100???
     
  12. haslar

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    Thanks guys, great replies!!

    GAT: I should get Filtertrons from TGPer gitman in the next few days.
    I am sure that will help a lot - that WCR Goodwood bridge pup is just too powerful and phat for the sound I want to achieve.

    Fireball XL5: I hear ya. And you're right! But I don't feel comfortable gigging with just 1 amp, esp. an amp that is 36 years old. I have no backup amp at the moment (except for a Vox Tonelab!).
    That's why I'm thinking about getting another amp, around 35-50W, so that:
    - I'd always bring both amps to all the gigs
    - I'd use whichever amp is the most suitable to the gig size, keeping the other as a backup. (or even using both amps for big outdoor gigs)

    35-50W might not sound as authoritative as a 100-watter, but at least I could get some natural overdrive in smaller rooms. In a small room, I have to play my 100 watter with the volume on 0.2, and I then get a dead clean sound - which is not what I'm after! I can always add some hair with my RC Booster or BB Preamp, but it doesn't sound the same at all.
     
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    You still may need an attenuator, the club 40 is a pretty loud amp, it is louder the a Route 66 that is certain.

    I hope the clubs you play in allow you to crank it up a bit, but be prepared.
     
  14. haslar

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    Just received a reply from Greg - that guy's a class act!

    "Richard,
    Congrats on the gig! Sounds like a very fun band to play with!
    There are several suggestions I will bring to the table.
    I personally feel you are going to need a solid state rectifier.
    A GZ-34 is going to be too soft and rounded for emulating this style.
    Also you would need higher voltage at the output stage beyond what a
    stock Club 40 would produce (415vdc) to give the proper amount of
    attack. So....perhaps a Club 40 with the HV P/T (480vdc) using a ss
    rectifer would do the job. The fact does remain that no 2 output
    tube model will ever have the snappy response and huge percussive
    attack that a four output tube model will have. The response of a
    100 watter is much more immediant and very noticable.
    The tweeked Club 40 may fit the bill excellently given the size
    rooms you list. A 100 watter would be pretty loud for 50 seat gigs
    is my guess. A Club 40 with the higer voltage P/T and ss rectifer
    will be much louder than stock. It would also have much
    better/quicker pick attack.
    The Fillmore Classic does come to mind in that it is based on the
    earliest of the EL-34 100 watt amps. While not a JTM45/100 the
    circuit is the same and I have heard that this early style JTM-100
    (aka black flag logo/reverse typeset JTM) is a favorite of at least
    one of the Young brothers.
    Yet another suggestion would be to convert your Super Lead to Super
    Bass specs. This may not be something you want to do given the price
    of what unmolested Super Lead's are bringing these days, but,
    nonetheless an option.
    I think you should use your existing cab, no need to get another cab
    and deal with shipping to France. I'm sure the Blackbacks will work
    just fine for what you are doing.
    Hope the info helps!
    Best Regards,
    Greg G."

    so: Roky's suggestions (both the Club 40 with SS rectifier & higher voltage, and the Fillmore 100 watter) are Greg's suggestions! Congrats Roky!

    I'm not very keen on modding my '70 SL... and as I said, I need 2 amps so I have a backup.

    Those two options are very tempting, I must admit...
     
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    That'll do it too, and then get the Superbass spec. The C45 wouldn't be a bad choice either especially if your gonna be mic'd.
     
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    "Just received a reply from Greg - that guy's a class act!"

    +1
     
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    Yeah, I thought one of the two would be the best fit for your application.

    Actually I want, either, a tweaked Club 40 or a Fillmore 100 as my first Germino,
    so, it was easy to recommend either of those; since I've been mulling it
    over for weeks ..

    So .. which one are you going for ? :D
     
  19. haslar

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    Well... none at the moment, I don't have the cash.
    I'm thinking about selling my Suhr Classic, but I love this guitar!
    Otherwise, I'll have to wait a few months before I can afford to purchase my 1st Germino.

    Now if I had to choose between those two, it would be a hard choice... I guess I'd go for the Club40 as I already have a 100 watter. But damn, that JTM45/100 is a tempting proposition!
     
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    1) heavy fender pick
    2) thick pure nickel roundwound strings - pyramids sounds best to me
    3) tvclassic bridge pup - absolutely worth 120$
    4) a) for the tone from dirty deed to stiff upper lip: headroom 100 (bass specs) or fillmore classic
    b) for the Ballbreaker sound: montery classic
    5) G12H-75hz (southbays) are probably best, but G12M, vintage 30s and G12H-55hz (heritage, weber, or Southbay) will probably work well.

    try to keep the amp volume low - 2 or 3 (9 o clock) - and play hard
     

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