Which Orange drop caps for Fender Blackface?

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  1. RobBozic

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    Which series of Orange Drop is recommended for a Fender Blackface type amp?

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  2. Blue Strat

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    I recommend the Mallory 150s over orange drops.
     
  3. skeeterbuck

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    Mike,

    Why do you like the Mallory 150 better? Are they closer to what was originally in the amp or do you prefer to tone?
     
  4. Carol-AnnAmps

    Carol-AnnAmps Gold Supporting Member

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    I like Mallory PVC's in a BF. They sound pretty close to the blue ones used in the mid 60's amps to me, if not a little more detailed. 150's always sound one dimensional in any amps I've used them in. But everyone has their own opinions and there's no right one.
     
  5. AL30

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    I prefer the 150 over the Orange Drops too. They seem to be a little smoother to my ears.

    Does Mouser carry these? I'm not familiar with them but I'll be making an order in the next few weeks so I may as well pick some up.


    AL
     
  6. moj067

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    I'll agree w/ Alan on the PVC's -getting harder to find. If not the 6PS Orange Drops series are similar.
    Replaced my blue ones for PVC's and sounds fine to me.
    Good luck.
     
  7. LowellH

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    I also like the PVC Orange Drops in BF Fenders. Allied Electronics has them in stock.
     
  8. SouthernShred

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    6PS orange drops are nice...Xicon MPP's are too...
     
  9. Lonely Raven

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    Amp guys talking Caps is like Car guys Talking Oil. Everyone has their love/hate stories.

    IMHO, non-audiophile caps aren't too expensive. try some out yourself and see how *you* feel about them. Take notes, and make sure you give them time to break in (a whole 'nother argument I'm sure).

    I build up a BF Champ using original '63 Transformers I scored from eBay. I used this amp to try out different caps to get a feel for them (and different 12AX7 tubes!). IMHO, I agree that the Mallory PVC gave me the closest to what all my BF amps sounded like stock. But again, try a bunch out for yourself!
     
  10. Carol-AnnAmps

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    The PS series are exactly the same. I heard they were actually made in the same factory with the same materials. They are a polyester film cap.

    I use them in the OD2's. I can't tell the difference between PVC and PS in that amp to be honest. I can tell the difference between the 600V and the 1600V versions though. In some positions I actually prefer the 1600V version.
     
  11. Carol-AnnAmps

    Carol-AnnAmps Gold Supporting Member

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    Watch out using the generic phrase 'orange drops'. There are several types and materials. Most people seem to assume the 751p or the 761p. I think they sound pretty hard, bright and lack dynamics in most situations and would definately prefer the 150s over those.
    However, the PVC series Mallory and the PS series Spragues are both polyester film . I just think they sound more detailed as I stated before.
     
  12. Trout

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    Exactly,
    They do offer other versions of their polyesters which I really like a lot also, These are axial lead and are a bit easier to mount in some cases.

    The 461M and 460M are excellent sounding polyester caps and IMO sound just like the 6PS series. I find them very articulate and defined.

    Sprague orange drops are actually made by SBE but they are hardly the only good quality caps Sprague sells.

    Trout
     
  13. the-tone

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    I find the 715P & 716P to be cold, stiff and harsh sounding
    I personally do not like the Mallory at all, to me it's dark and muffled sounding and I don't think it belongs in a BF style amp at all but that's only my opinion.
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  14. AL30

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    Thanks for the tip. I am aware of the differnt series of OD's but... I think you mean 715 and 716 series. ;)

    But, I agree - the more I hear of the 715/16 series the less I seem to like them. The have a weird tone that I can't dial out - bass almost off and treble cranked and still can't get rid of it. The Mallory 150 series sound a lot smoother to me.

    AL
     
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    How do the Sozo's sound in a BF fender? I may replace some coupling caps soon and want to try these.

    Rick
     
  17. Carol-AnnAmps

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    Yeah I did. I never use them, so I didn't remember.
    I like 150's as cathode bypass caps and in some amps as the Presence cap. Not keen as tone stack or coupling though.
     
  18. AL30

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    What do you use for coupling caps and tone stack caps? I'm assuming the PVC Mallory's and the PS Spragues? And what tonal differences to you hear between them and the 150's in those positions?

    Thanks

    AL
     
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    I usually mix my amps with ODs for coupling and 150s for tone. I find that ODs "temper" themselves a bit with age and mellow out to be about right in BF and SF Fenders.

    Never tried anything but electrolytics for bypass caps, I'll have to try some 150s or ODs in that position!
     

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