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Who does not favor a treble bleed mod

Discussion in 'Luthier's Guitar & Bass Technical Discussion' started by mannish, May 23, 2011.

  1. mannish

    mannish Member

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    Seems the vol treble bleed mod on Strats are a no brainer as far my limited knowledge goes. I am curious to those who not like them and why

    It would make sense to me that all strats would come this way but then again I could be missing something

    educate me
     
  2. rabbuhl

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    I have only one guitar with a Treble bleed mod. I am thinking about removing it because that particular guitar is really bright sounding.
     
  3. buddastrat

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    Me. Hate them. They all seem to thin out the tone. On single coils, I want it to warm up so it sounds a little thicker. I think some people think of it backwards. Roll it back a bit and EQ your stuff. Then you'll get a little more clarity when you want to boost your volume/dirt. PERFECT!

    When I roll back the knob, there is less gain and compression. With keeping or adding treble that sounds too thin or plinky.

    See my sig
     
  4. Wayne Alexander

    Wayne Alexander Supporting Member

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    I'm with buddastrat on this. I play most of the time with the guitar volume on 8 or so, and turn the guitar volume up to get brighter and gainier. I don't use pedals much, and I've got responsive amps (current favorite seems to be the 65Amps Stone Pony). So clean is at the lower ranges of the guitar volume control and louder/gainier/brighter at the top.
     
  5. SonicBlue61

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    I'm not a fan for 2 reasons.

    1) If you use just a cap for this mod your tone gets brighter as you roll the volume down. I think this is worse than original issue of getting darker.

    2) If you use a cap and resistor for this mod, this can fix problem #1 but then you screw up the pot taper.
     
  6. mannish

    mannish Member

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    I have it backwards apparently. I asked because I was playing a guitar without one this weekend. if I don't have my volume at at least 7 more like 8 or so it loses a lot of tone. I thought the vol bleed was supposed to help with that tone loss. I'll try it with eq'ing the tone some when I have to roll back
    thanks


     
  7. rabbuhl

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    When I ordered my loaded pickguard I said "no treble bleed" please and it came with one anyway. I am having the pickguard rewired with an S1 switch. So, I am not "crazy" to leave it off this time???
     
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    Jimi, Stevie, Robin did not use the Treble Bleed - I dont either. = Next
     
  9. Jef Bardsley

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    +1000!


    I always dial in my amps with the guitar volume turned down. Then I have a volume/treble boost knob at my fingertips instead of a switch on the floor.
     
  10. Ronsonic

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    It's been a big variable for me depending on which guitars, amps, style of music and how I'm setting gain on the amp and / or pedals if used.

    This is all one very complicated knot that all add up to what works for you and what you learn to work with. As was pointed out, some of the greats never used them, others did. Whether you need one or not usually depends on how you set the amp and use the controls on the guitar. Guys who never touch the tone control and have two volume settings usually want one. If you use the tone control on the guitar you probably don't need one.
     
  11. Pedro58

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    I don't like them on Strats. That's the only type of guitar I ever tried them on. Makes the guitar sound thin and messes with how my fuzz pedals work.
     
  12. mannish

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    I think dialing it in with the guitar vol low is good advice for me to follow

     
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    don't like them at all. tried using them for a while and its just sound very un-naturaland thin to my ear. I just use the Rs volume pot to retain slight treble when i roll down my volume on my guitar.
     
  14. chervokas

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    I agree, this is a great way to do it. Plus, I have found, if you use low capacitance cables, you really don't need a treble bleed workaround because you get a more usable range of tone darkening as you roll back the volume. I hate the sound of treble bleed circuits.
     
  15. EADGBE

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    I rarely turn down. So I don't really use them. But when I do turn down I sort of like the warming up of the tone.
     
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    I don't like the way it messes with your tone when you turn down. I never use one.
     
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    I'm pretty happy with he jangly tones I get at half volume with a standard strat.
     
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    I don't like them because lately I have been setting the amp with less bass, and more treble. With the vol. on 8 I am at a good 'dark' tone, that increases in brightness and volume as I turn up for a louder passage.
     
  19. Don A

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    I don't like it because it's incompatible with germanium fuzz pedals. When I turn the guitar down to clean up the fuzz, the tone gets thin.
     
  20. HipKitty

    HipKitty Silver Supporting Member

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    I'm with the crowd on this one...too thin IMHO..and ears. Knowing how to set up the pickups/guitar and use what you have overrides and eliminates any perceived benefit to the treble bleed mod..again, IMHO
     

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