Why don’t I like Strats??

Discussion in 'Guitars in General' started by markl, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. JackStraw12

    JackStraw12 Member

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    I hated Strats but convinced myself I wanted one and found a great USA at a good price that feels great. I put an HH pickguard in it and now it's my favorite guitar.
     
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  2. motokev

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    The STRAT is the perfect designed guitar.

    - so comfy to play
    -single coil sound, the best
    -actually a diverse guitar
    -two point trem, works great
    -can easily mod

    amazing Leo Fender got it right in the beginning.
     
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  3. dlguitar64

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    For me, the way the pickups are mounted makes me hear more plastic
    than wood around the notes compared to my other guitars.
     
  4. Comanche5

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    Feminine looking... that's hilarious. I suppose some guys can get away with playing a pink shirt. Others can't pull it off.
     
  5. Comanche5

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    This is good info. In the Silver Sky video with John Mayer, he mentions that he runs his tone controls at 5 or less! Makes me wonder how bright he must set the rest of his single chain.

    Makes me wonder... does anyone have the info for how Stevie Ray Vaughan ran the tone controls on his Strat, Tubescreamer, and Super Reverb or Vibroverbs?
     
  6. miffa

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  7. candid_x

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    My critical side views all the Fender bridge/trems as out dated. It took independent companies to update components like saddles and smoother and more stable trems (i.e. Highwood and Gotoh 510). Quality control is still all over the road. It's ironic that two of the most complained about guitar companies are still the sales leaders in the industry.

    Why can a John Page Classic arrive from Japan with perfect workmanship but I have to "run the racks" to find a good Fender Strat, shipped by way of California or Mexico? Makes no sense that they still have that kind of market share, other than our obsession with repeating history.
     
  8. Gasp100

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    She also says I'm too wide / big to play an SG... so I sold a fantastic SG Classic P90.
    When someone gets in your head like that it sticks... oh well, still looking at a Fernandes strat from the 80's now :)
     
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  9. mikendzel

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    A couple of things for the strat lovers, and strat haters alike:

    #1 - You're allowed to use them with any amp you desire, AND you are allowed to turn the knobs on the amp!

    #2 - Pickups are HUGELY influential on strat guitars. I've owned 8 different strats, still have 4, and they all sound very different (for strats)

    #3 - Try adding your bridge pickup to the bottom tone control if absolutely necessary, but pickup heights are important to getting balanced response from bridge vs neck

    #4 - Use all of the above in combination with one another!!!

    #5 - Try not picking directly over the bridge pickup

    #6 - If you find the drive tones too brittle, stack OD's; that does wonders for retarding the "bite" and rounding out/fattening the tone

    #7 - Don't go crazy trying to make a strat sound great in isolation! The "bite" is what let's it stand out in a band mix, especially with keys in the bands; ask me how I know
     
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  10. Rockledge

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    Not only is it not ignorant, it is extremely well informed. I've worked on God knows how many, both domestic and Asian. Since the mid 60s.
    The only ignorance is in those who are afraid to tell the truth about it because they might not look "cool".
    I actually build, restore, customize, and most importantly play guitars. Professionally.
    My guitars are tools, things I use for work. They aren't wall hangers or status symbols.
    I use what is best for the job, not what others think you have to have "just because".
     
  11. Ubersooner

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    Don't know if it's been mentioned but string guage is the key to loving strats. I play 11 to 48 tuned down 1/2.
     
  12. gruenburger

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    you're claiming all non-asian Strats have bad action, weird, necks, and other vague critiques. all my guitars are domestic and have perfect action, setup, etc. tell me what special magic they are using to bolt on a neck to a body that nobody else can figure out. I'm not going to argue anymore, I just think its a very strange claim.
     
  13. stanshall

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    can only tell you that I do like Strats

    (and Teles, Jazzmasters, Jaguars, Mustangs, Bass VI, Les Pauls, SGs, 335s, Melody Makers, Casinos, and Danelectros), and the Martin D-18, D-28, 00-18, and 000-18, and the Gibson LG-1, and old Guilds too

    almost never met a Fender or Gibson or Martin I couldn't get with as long as the action was alright, guitar stayed reasonably in tune, and could be decently intonated

    obviously you need good amps for electrics but with a good amp you should be able to get a good sound out of a real Stratocaster, though with so many kinds of guitars to choose from why force things if you have misgivings or antipathy towards a Strat for any reason?

    respectfully, enjoy the guitars you have, keep your mind open, check out people's Strats when you get a chance, mess around with some at guitar shops if you feel like it, make a point of trying out a bunch of different things over time, there's no rush unless you've got nothing to play and you've got a gig or session coming up very soon, which has happened to lots of people (theft, guitars in transit, disrepair, working away from home, etc.)

    there could be times when a producer might ask for a Strat, but outside of those occasions do what you like, as Blind Faith says ... follow the good advice on the run-off groove of Led Zeppelin III:

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  14. PaisleyWookie

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    I don't like Strats either. I like how they sound when other people play them, but I don't find them to work with my sound, nor are they comfortable.

    However, I've recently fallen in love with Teles. I think they're my ideal single coil guitar.
     
  15. Shadowfox007

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    I understand that and there are only two strats I've loved that have a snappy sound without shrillness. That is the Blackmore strat up there, and a Don Grosh Nos Retro. Grosh has a built-in blend knob that can kind of mimic a little bit of the mid tele sound. However, I think position 4 is that spot on a strat. The neck is super chimey on the Grosh. Also, I don't like any of Fender's Humbuckers, they all sound bleh to me. You have to look elsewhere something like Suhr. Again the Don Grosh 327 is pretty insane, as is the Blown 59. If interested here are two videos. Lettieri has a 327, Vinai T has the 59.

    Mark:

    Vinai T:
     
  16. john weires

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    Agree here. I have learned not to try to make my "Strats" to sound like a Gibson, which I have if I need that sound. In addition for me, I have very small hands and the larger longer scale of a Strat makes it harder for me to stretch for certain fingerings below the 3 or 4th fret. I have not found a Fender Strat that has a neck on it I like, although I haven't exhaustively searched here. But my boutique Suhr Classic and Tom Anderson drop top Strat style guitars play very well, especially the Andy.
     
  17. Mikhael

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    Hmm. Not in my book.
    -No. not with that @#$% volume knob in the way.
    -No. HBs give you more options.
    -Yes, it can be.
    -Vibrato sucks.
    -Yes, and THAT is why it's good.

    Leo did okay for his time, but better things have come along. Luckily, that Strat is a good platform for mods.
     
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  18. kludge

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    Yep. There are lots of Strat tones I love. Some sweet, some nasty. But it seems like it needs considerable devotion to the tone to make it work. Some of my least favorite tones are average players with a Strat. Lifeless, insipid chords, ear-drilling "lead" sounds, and faux-Hendrix neck tones that sound like congealed grease. On the other hand, some of the greatest electric guitar tones ever have come from Strats - players like Hendrix and Gilmour who can somehow sound muscular and delicate at the same time. And of course, the reverse of Strat mediocrity is also true... bloated, colorless Les Paul/Marshall blandness, gain-compressed into a smooth paste that's about as nimble and precise as you'd expect paste to be.

    Maybe my problem is that Strats seem to be the choice of boring players.
     
  19. Comanche5

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    Well, maybe use that excuse to buy Les Pauls, ES-335s, and Gretsches!
     
  20. sanhozay

    sanhozay klon free since 2009 Silver Supporting Member

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    i was a strat guy that became a tele guy by no default other than i think tele's are easier to play. purchased a used 2016 k-line springfield in 2017 and haven't played it much until very recently. it's devastatingly good! the neck is a smidgen too big but the sound and playability is fantastic. the pickups are hotter than i normally go for but they are incredible sounding in this guitar. a perfect match! i do keep hitting the middle pickup when i fingerpick and constantly am knocking the volume knob down but these are adjustments i'm sure i'd get a handle on if i continue to play it. my tele is in the shop for a refret and probably will come back and bump the strat but this k-line fling feels serious!
     

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