Why no love for the JCM900???

IcedEarth

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I find that only a handful of people like this amp?? I'm looking for a good sounding, inexpensive MARSHALL, and I've come acrossed some good deals on some 900's. I've never owned one, but have owned a DSL, and tried a JCM800, (too expensive), and found them to sound extremely similar, (at medium volume).

Question is, will I get that classic, Marshall grind with a 900?? What's the difference tonally between a 4100 DR, and 2500 MKIII single channe? I'd rather have reverb, but I'll sacrifice that for tone! Which 900's are most desirable - early 90's EL34?

Help me out, I'm ampless, and need something quick. I'm buying a Framus Cobra or Powerball around the holidays, and need something until then.

I'm currently looking to spend $600-$800. Help me out, please!
 

Soothsayer

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I like a few of the JCM 900's. I have owned a 2500 MK III, and a 2500 SL-X, the SL-X was better IMHO. The SL-X I owned was from the early 90's and had Drake transformers EL-34's and one additional preamp tube as compaired to the MK III. It could pull off tone's ranging from Los Lonely Boys to early VH, has a switchable volume function that lets you set a volume A and then set Volume B then use the footswitch for lead's (kinda like little aligator pedal that VAI uses except no taper). Nice Marshall crunch, play it first and lets your ears decide.:)
 

Rock Fella

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in my experience , lifeless cleans and buzzy grainy overdrive, i hate jcm900 amps, in my opinion when the last vertical input jcm800 2203 and 2204 rolled outta the marshall factory in bletchley , marshall lost something and joined the ranks of Crate.I wait to hear the 1959HW with baited breath, to me, the DSL`s, Mode 4 and AVT`s represent a company chucking out amps rather than making amps that nod to their tones of bygone days.

just my opinion.
 

IcedEarth

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Originally posted by Talkshowhost
I like a few of the JCM 900's. I have owned a 2500 MK III, and a 2500 SL-X, the SL-X was better IMHO. The SL-X I owned was from the early 90's and had Drake transformers EL-34's and one additional preamp tube as compaired to the MK III. It could pull off tone's ranging from Los Lonely Boys to early VH, has a switchable volume function that lets you set a volume A and then set Volume B then use the footswitch for lead's (kinda like little aligator pedal that VAI uses except no taper). Nice Marshall crunch, play it first and lets your ears decide.:)
Can't - they're all on Ebay. The only amp I have access to is the DSL. I think it sounds kinda thin, and too modern. I want that distinct, Marshall crunch..

If it means anything, I have an MXR 10-band EQ, and Wylde Overdrive, (best sounding, least coloring OD on the market, IMO).
How bout those into the front/loops?
 

Soothsayer

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Originally posted by IcedEarth
Can't - they're all on Ebay. The only amp I have access to is the DSL. I think it sounds kinda thin, and too modern. I want that distinct, Marshall crunch..

If it means anything, I have an MXR 10-band EQ, and Wylde Overdrive, (best sounding, least coloring OD on the market, IMO).
How bout those into the front/loops?
Try a Peavy Classic series amp, it will hold you over until you get your Framus.
 

Rock Fella

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do you reckon navarro actually uses the 900 series ? i know he is always photographed with them , but i think tonally , they absolutely suck, I wonder has dave a hidden amp he actually uses...hmmmmmmm ;)
 

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Personally I think the JCM 800's are overated and I am sure the 900's are worse. They sound good for 80's metal and thats about it. IMO They really don't get a nice warm toney sound. I aggree to go with a peavey classic for a quick fix. Much better tone then the marshalls and cheaper. You may need an overdrive pedal for higher gain stuff but pedals are relatively cheap also. Just my 2 cts
 

Deaj

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If you're using a JCM900 you're already using the equivalent of a distortion pedal. The JCM900 series amps use a diode based clipping circuit for the dirty stuff. :(
 

Soothsayer

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Just one man's opinion guys, I like the SL-X. I have had the privledge of owning some very nice toneful amps ie. Carmen Ghia, Lucky 7, Astroverb, I think the SL-X is a pretty decent sounding Marshall. I'm not the expert, I just play as a hobby....
 
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I disliked my Marshall for a long while, but now I love it.
I replaced all the tubes with:

1. Groove Tube 6L6-R (a.k.a. b model) russian tubes. Had it rebiased

2. Groove Tube 12AX7M (Mullard Reissues). Breakup up is much sooner than Sovtek's or others...

3. Replaced the G12T-75's for Green Backs.

And lastly, I never use the 2nd chanell. For distortion I either use a TS9 or a Tube Works Real Tube Pedal (Eric Johnson in a box) :)

Having made mod's I'm very happy. The tones are very smooth. I enjoy playing this amp as much as I do my Dr.Z Maz Sr.

-paul
 

covert

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Originally posted by Deaj
If you're using a JCM900 you're already using the equivalent of a distortion pedal. The JCM900 series amps use a diode based clipping circuit for the dirty stuff. :(
Of course this is also true of the 800 series. The main difference is taht the 800 has two rather large diodes, and the 900 had a chip in bridge format. A competent tech should be able to remove the chip, as was done to mine. I don't recall if there were any parts put in place.

The significant difference is the chips in the tone circuits. I haven't been bothered by those.
 

Rich M

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Iced Earth,
Where are you located? I have a JCM800 2205 and 2203 I might be needing to part with.
 

Neill

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Roe,

Maybe I should have put "Liked". No clue what he's using now but whatever it is it's good (see "Jeff").
 

pfrischmann

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What Kind of sound are you looking for

Classic rock/blues
80's rock
90's or later rock punk...?


If you are thinking about the earlier stuff, look at Traynor.
 

rawkguitarist

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Well, I loved my JCM900 50 watt Master Volume. As apposed to the Dual Reverb, as far as I understand, it DIDN'T have the Diode clipping stage, at least until you used the second gain knob (someone may correct me on this). I set mine up on stage right next to Eric Johnson's mongo rig once...

Gigged for years with this amp, a 70's reissue 4x12 (Greenbacks), a 535 Wah, a Boss Super Overdrive and a servicable ART rack in my effects loop. Got pretty good tone out of this rig. I did ALSO, have a Dual Reverb combo, it DIDN'T sound as good as my Master Volume one.
 




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