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Why Wont Guitarists Move on From the Past and Become More Creative

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DrNebulous

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I always see guitarists have an obsession with guitarists from the past. That is fine, but I also see guitarists EMULATE the past. I believe emulating the past is pointless. Music is an art. Arts are for creativity and innovation. When did emulation represent creativity? The past is very important for learning foundations to build upon your own style. Within music, I believe innovation is key, however subtle. If all a guitarist does is copy note for note songs of a guitarists solo from the past, how could he/she be classed as a musician? Anybody on earth can do that with enough time playing guitar. Also, what are they contributing to music (however small)? I think it's vital to have inspirations from older musicians, but then I believe you ought to take what you have further to whatever degree you can. Some people will find an older guitarist, such as Page or Hendrix, buy all their signature guitars, amps, pedals etc and then try to emulate them. What is the point of that? You aren't that guitarist, you are yourself. You need to be yourself, you can't be no one else. The past has been and gone now, and it will never come back. I believe sounding LIKE another artist, then taking it further is fine. I just think that generally, within the guitar community, people have crashed in a time warp.




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Here is a new version of the 'Jimmy pigging page'. I guess people from America (which are the majority on this site) are somewhat more sensitive to a bit of aggression, or they just didn't understand a post written in a Brit style or whatever. Here is the new version of the thread which people from all English speaking countries will understand, and not just Brits.
 
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GulfportBound

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Amen, brother. I have my guitar models (plural) and my models as bluesmen, but I'd rather sound like one guitarist and be one bluesman---me.
 

DrNebulous

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Amen, brother. I have my guitar models (plural) and my models as bluesmen, but I'd rather sound like one guitarist and be one bluesman---me.


Exactly. You learned about blues, and then you became creative with what you learned, and made it unique. Great. This is the method all the important musicians have.
People seem to rebel against progress and change. However much they rebel, the nature of life is change and progress. As you may of guessed, I believe that professional classical orchestra 'musicians' are as useless. What are classical violinists contributing to musical progress?
 

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It's the songs he has been involved with throughout his career... They hold up wayy better than most of the "great" guitar players music that people love so much here.

Jeff
 

GerryJ

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Move on and look forward to the future.

In their regard for change, men playing rock music using electric guitars are actually a very conservative group, not politically but musically. Not my observation, but first noticed ~ 25 yrs ago and still holds true. And of course it's not universal.
 

cob666

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Jimmy Page hasn't contributed much to music? :jo

This has to be pretty close to the top of the list as far as trolling goes.
 

sanhozay

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decent guitarists?

frankly, doctor nebulous i find you perspective rather...err, nebulous.
 

tj1004

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Foolish post. Go listen to your Jack White **** while you wonder why people like Jimmy Page. :jo
 

michael patrick

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Yeah, those classical cats, why can't they move on from Beethoven and Bach? They sound so dated. It's 2012! Why are people trying to relive the 1700 and 1800s? It's good to learn from the past, but it's terrible to imitate it.
 

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The very fact that we are still talking about him on a forum that is (for the most part) always looking for something new is, in itself, the answer to the OP's question.......

In 35 years, I'm relatively sure that we will still be talking about Jimmy Page (and his contemporaries), while noboby will even remember anyone (save for a very few) from this era.

IMO, the reason is that back then they wrote songs for themselves, not really worrying about what was going to sell, which ended up being great songs. Nowadays, there are 15 or 20 bands (or more) that all sound exactly the same and are, to a T, following a "formula" for writing a "hit"......completely uninspiring and it makes listening to the radio horribly boring.....
 

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The world has changed a lot in the 40+ years since the early rock bands ruled the airwaves. I don't believe you can compare the older bands and musicians against their modern day counterparts, there are just too many differences between the eras. Think about it - if bands like Led Zep were just starting out today, they probably wouldn't get signed to a major label. That's 80 shades of sad, but look at the marketplace today - It's wildly different and it's requiring different skills and traits to succeed. Two turntables and a microphone, anyone?

That said, the old school guys like Page really knew their stuff, unlike a lot of players today. Look at the song structures of The Rain Song or Stairway, I mean really study them. Those songs are just flat out brilliant, you don't hear anything like that anymore. I believe that's partially because there's no real market for that kind of music anymore, and partially because musicians today aren't learning their instruments as solidly as some of the old school folks did. Instead, they're learning sampling, looping, digital editing, Internet promotion, mass communications, digital distribution... Most folks today aren't paying much attention to pitch or vibrato, those things used to be super important back in the day, nowadays the can get fixed with a couple of hours of post production.

Apples and oranges, IMHO.
 

sanhozay

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I believe that professional classical orchestra 'musicians' are as useless. What are classical violinists contributing to musical progress?

contributing joy, banishing shade, letting in light.

the EXACT opposite of your musical purpose. :brick
 

Jerry Shaw

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:huh Jimmy pigging Page?

If you are so awesomely liberated from the past, why do you care what other guitarists are into?
 

crossbones

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Well,

He understood a lot of the things that we all take for granted a long time before anyone else did.
There was absolutely nothing in 1968 that compared remotely to Led Zeppelin at the time of their first record. You can like it or hate it, but no one else was doing anything similar.
His genius was not just in playing the guitar, (He didn't suck for the time period for sure) but having an understanding of how to occupy sonic real estate on records and make them sound really heavy. Relationships between instruments and such.
He also understood how to leave random mistakes and clams to keep the excitement up.
For the most part, you don't get a warm fuzzy, happy feeling from Led Zeppelin. They are dark and disturbing.
There are not many people now who have that knowledge.
 
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