Will the world be a better place in 50 years?

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  1. habanaerosmith

    habanaerosmith Member

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    I seriously have my doubts.

    We almost didn't have kids because we were pretty convinced things were getting worse.

    My main concerns are overpopulation and corporate oligarchy. I just can't see things going anywhere but down.
     
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    Jason Calieri Silver Supporting Member

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    You might be right. But I also think people have been saying the same thing for generations. So, who knows?
     
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    This ought to be fun!
     
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    Well, if you were middle-class and white in the USA in the 1950's, you would have been correct.

    EDIT: That didn't come out quite right. I simply meant that compared to now in terms of economics, those were better times.
     
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    Considering the current trend to dismiss science and embrace anti-intellectualism,


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    As Pete Seeger used to say "I think this good green earth will roll on".

    Now humans surviving might be another question.
     
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    aynirar27 All You Need Is Rock and Roll Gold Supporting Member

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    not a chance.
    unless something catastrophic happens in the meantime that will be a catalyst for change.
    sometimes you have to gut a house before you renovate it
     
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    aynirar27 All You Need Is Rock and Roll Gold Supporting Member

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    oh absolutely. The planet will be just fine after we are gone.
     
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    right, I didn't feel the need to qualify that, because I think it goes without saying.

    with humans out of the equation, there is no 'better' or 'worse'.

    with us gone, everything simply 'is'.
     
  10. A-Bone

    A-Bone Montonero, MOY, Multitudes Gold Supporting Member

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    Exactly. Don't you imagine the real answer to this sort of question is the same as it always has been? That is, it depends on who and where you are.
     
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    Will the world be a better place,..with people or without people?

    With people,...don't know. Without,...things would be fine.
     
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    I'll second that.
    But speaking of people-the fact that the population explosion shows no signs of letup, the answer just has to be no. . Even if everyone joins this weird utopian view...there will just be too many humans.
     
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    Ah, the old overpopulation argument. Been around for centuries. Ever been out of the city? There is plenty of space. And you probably weren't alive when you couldn't wear white in the winter, because of the coal dust on park benches. Or the horrible smog cloud in LA. Things have gotten better in my time, 50+ years.

    And now the whole anti capitalism argument. You should sell all of your apple or Samsung products, and those guitars and amps and go live in North Korea, you would love it.
     
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    The world is a big place, we often have a rather myopic view.

    I think we also have to consider "will the world be a better place for humans"

    That said, I think there is good scholarship to suggest that the world is generally becoming less violent, many places are becoming more tolerant, people are living longer, we are making strong inroads in providing greater access to healthcare and education world wide.

    We also face great global challenges for human survival like climate change, pollution, the prospect of nuclear war, resource depletion, and over population.

    Hard to say where we will be in 50 years, I try to stay optimistic, and I think there are good reasons for optimism, the human spirit is resilient.
     
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    Anyone who thinks a system predicated on unending growth can continue forever in a world of finite resources is either a madman or an economist.
     
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    I have no idea, but I imagine fresh water will be very expensive, if there is any left.
     
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    Not sure, but if I'm still alive it may be a don't care for me.
     
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    There might be reasons why people don't live on huge portions of the unoccupied land in the world.

    As far as the smog clearing up and all that, I'm not even 50 and I remember terrible smog from the 70's (in San Jose, no less!). That having been said, the US is not the world. Have you seen what the air is like in large industrial cities in China and India now, to use just one example?

    I'm pretty sure that it is not that easy to immigrate to North Korea, although I think I get your point.
     
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    it's not about 'space'. it's about finite resources.
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    show us where anyone even mentioned capitalism.

    if Adam Smith could see what has become of his original conception of 'free-enterprise', he would surely **** his pants.

    besides, do you really believe that corporate oligarchy and brutal dictatorship are the only choices? that's not a rhetorical question, btw. I'd really like to know.
     
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    Was it ever that great ?
     
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