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lespaul6

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Anyone know about US made clones of this exact circuit??? somebody has to have tried or at least looked into it? I'm sure it could be done over here for 2k or less. I mean the inside looks to be pretty standard- orange drops and all!!! I think the current price is 4k or more:(:(
 

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I have played one for a bit and was really impressed. You may can get close with a Roccaforte
Definitely.

I've been singing the praises of the Roccafortes for ages.

I played an HG100 a while back and Christ that amp was amazing.

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lespaul6

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I had the rocca HG 100 awhile back and I liked it...maybe I would like the particular voicing of the Wizard better though...I cant justify the price for one right now...or possibly, ever.
 

Ironman

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I had a 100 Modern Classic a couple of years ago and a Roccaforte Custom 80 at the same time. I liked the Rocca more, it has a more organic tone/feel. The Modern Classic ate preamp tubes like crazy too, never had this happen before. The MC lacked a certain warmth, it had a brightness that I couldn't dial out. I sold her (paid $4500 originally) and now have a Rocca Jenelle. I like the Roccaforte tone much better.
 

thegame

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Anyone know about US made clones of this exact circuit??? somebody has to have tried or at least looked into it? I'm sure it could be done over here for 2k or less. I mean the inside looks to be pretty standard- orange drops and all!!! I think the current price is 4k or more:(:(
He uses a mixture of readily available orange drops as well as other NOS parts that are very hard to find. A clone won't be a clone without going all the way.
 

lespaul6

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I had a 100 Modern Classic a couple of years ago and a Roccaforte Custom 80 at the same time. I liked the Rocca more, it has a more organic tone/feel. The Modern Classic ate preamp tubes like crazy too, never had this happen before. The MC lacked a certain warmth, it had a brightness that I couldn't dial out. I sold her (paid $4500 originally) and now have a Rocca Jenelle. I like the Roccaforte tone much better.
Where are you running your bass on the rocca for either channel?
I found my hg 100 to have way too much bass compared to a plexi etc...I liked the amp though.
 

Ironman

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Where are you running your bass on the rocca for either channel?
I found my hg 100 to have way too much bass compared to a plexi etc...I liked the amp though.
About 5 with buckers and 7 with singles. All the Rocca's have a huge bottom, you definitely don't need to wind the bass up to shake walls. The bass is always nice and tight and doesn't flub out. Here's a pic of the Wizard and C80.
 

Ironman

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I have a Roccaforte and a Wizard MC, both very very loud. Both very very different. I wouldn't say the Roccaforte is more organic tone/feel myself. You need to absolutely crank both IMO to get them to do their thing. The MC distorts more, thats for sure. That brightness goes away when you crank it, and it just becomes clarity. Not to say the Roccaforte is lacking clarity. Both stellar amazing amps. Totally different uses IMO.
Absolutely! Big difference comparing high gain tones on an HG100 and MC.
 

John II

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I heard the Wizard at the NY Amp Show. Incredible sounding amp. Reminded me of the guitar tone in Accept's "Balls To the Wall." Killer.
 

lespaul6

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OTE=Ironman;7411219]Absolutely! Big difference comparing high gain
tones on an HG100 and MC.[/QUOTE]


I know that the HG has four stages of gain, does it have more or less than the wizard? and what is the character of the distortion on both? sorry for all the questions but I would hate to pay 4500 to find out the jenelle would do the trick!!!
 

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they're great amps. and you're not just paying for a grea sound: those things are built like tanks and road tough. also you get the same hands and ears ac/dc has working fo them- you can't buy that anywhere else!
 

joolzriff

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just buy a wizard youd love it....best best best rock amp i ever had but WAY too loud even for a 2,000 seater place mic'd up..just way too loud..you cant get it to where it needs to be...i even ran greenbacks that are low sensitivity.
i bought a SLO and its WAY more controllable and just as good of an amp but just a little more compressed than the wizard.
i hated selling the wizard but if u cant use it u cant use it..too loud unless ur a pro in stadiums
 

lespaul6

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just buy a wizard youd love it....best best best rock amp i ever had but WAY too loud even for a 2,000 seater place mic'd up..just way too loud..you cant get it to where it needs to be...i even ran greenbacks that are low sensitivity.
i bought a SLO and its WAY more controllable and just as good of an amp but
just a little more compressed than the wizard.
i hated selling the wizard but if u cant use it u cant use it..too loud unless ur a pro in stadiums
understood... I'm running the SLO now as I always have just looking for something different to have along side. Its alot to pay, I'm contemplating it though. I think I will wait for a used one, I'm in no hurry.
 

lespaul6

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they're great amps. and you're not just paying for a grea sound: those things are built like tanks and road tough. also you get the same hands and ears ac/dc has working fo them- you can't buy that anywhere else!
yes the workmanship is fantastic....I also have the new Gmp company on my mind and if I blow all my cash on an amp I wont have enough to get that new sparkle roxie!!
 

Ironman

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Would you say the Rocca is more vintage oriented, & the Wiz more modern ?
I'd say the Wizard is more modern and the Rocca more vintage sounding/feeling. The Wizard is brighter, has a sharper attack than the Rocca. The Rocca is softer, more compressed, not as hard sounding/feeling as the Wizard. The Rocca does a lot better at lower volumes than the Wizard also. With that said, I don't use the HG100 channel on my Jenelle. The high gain tone out of the HG100 are voiced a little "dry" to me. I get a juicier tone out of the Custom 80 with various OD pedals which totally does it for me. I'm going to send my Jenelle to Doug soon and have him convert it into a dual Custom 80 channel amp.
 






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