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Would you plug into Line 6 at a gig whilst your backline is tube ?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by Rock Fella, Aug 2, 2006.

  1. Rock Fella

    Rock Fella Member

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    When I first read about respected pros standing in front of empty shell 4x12s with tube heads merely sitting on top and the gtr tones coming from a Line 6 POD preamp feeding a PA system , tell you the truth ...I was surprised.

    Now when I think about this concept I can indeed see an element of wiseness in it. You could do a whole gig with a Line 6 POD2.0 and a floorboard, sure beats the hell out of lugging tube heads and 4 x 12s, obviously the venue for the gig will have a House PA , plug in and play at its very simplest. The only folks who would probably notice are other die hard guitarists who are clued in on a tube amp sounds like, I dont think anybody else would notice. The Line 6 stuff is cheap, easily transferred to and from a venue and roadies aint required.

    So would YOU carry a POD preamp and floorboard as your gigging rig.......Id say YEAH.........unless it was a show being fully recorded by a pro soundcrew , then the tube amps would be the only choice.

    What about YOU, whats your take on this ? You could set up in 5 mins flat and take down in same time ...........sounds good to me.

    Jimmy
     
  2. El Zombre

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    I don't know ... it's still fronting and just a bit dishonest. Why bother - would people think that badly of you as a musician for your amp choice that you have to have a fake tube stack?
    I saw Motorhead w/ a Line 6 backline once. Still kicked ass.
     
  3. DavidE

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    If I could get my POD XTLive to sound good enough, I'd take it. But it doesn't come close to the sound and feel of my Pedals and Naylor.
     
  4. Grap

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    It's what everyone seems to do here in Malaysia. A Pod XT Live into a Roland JC120 seems to be compulsary.
     
  5. Allthumbs56

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    I used a POD into a keyboard amp live for about four years. I'd have a TS-9 in front and a DM-2 behind for a little extra control. Once I had my tones dialed in it worked great. Set up and tear-down were a piece of cake, my sounds were consistent, and I sure spent a lot more time enjoying my playing.
     
  6. sosomething

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    While I personally would not gig through a Line6 rig when a good tube one was available to me, I don't have a problem with it per se. People can use what they want.

    Having a fake backline? Lame.
     
  7. gproud5150

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    Fake backline? Yes, it is lame. Using a Line 6 or something else like it? Well sure. A local guitarist uses a pod and floorboard all the time. And you're right, the only ones who notice are other guitar players. I find the sound a little dull, but the people up dancing could care less. What I find ironic with his setup is he brings 3 Les Pauls with him worth about $5000.00, and then has a $300.00 Pod and Floorboard, but hey, he's set up and torn down in about 10 minutes total. I love my 18 watt head and cab, but knowing I would have consistent sound from gig to gig would take a load off my mind. Tubes are so fickle, as you all know. I did two gigs back to back about a month ago, and the amp sounded great Friday night, and sounded like crap Saturday. Then sounded great again the weekend after. At the very least, have a Pod around as a backup.
     
  8. yZe

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    Depends on the gig

    If it is one of those "slave/serf" gigs where i have to play to the whims of club owners or agents who don't really want to pay, then Line 6 all the way

    If it is a gig where I actually get to be in my element where I get to stretch out and improv and play originals, then it is my cherished backline
     
  9. John Phillips

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    No. I will not play through a modeler, period.

    Recently I began to worry that a provided-backline gig, I might have no choice if the only amps there are modelers (they are starting to become more common), so at a band practice I tried playing through one on a clean setting with my pedalboard and a Mesa V-1 in front, to see if I could get a usable tone without using the digital overdrive. No...

    So I got a V-Twin (I'd had one before but sold it because I didn't like the switching - now I'm just leaving it on one channel so it doesn't matter) which will fix emergencies like this. It has both a Power Amp output, so if the provided amp has a power amp input (bypassing the digital section) I could go with that, and if not - like a Line6 Spider - I can just DI the V-Twin through it's own speaker emulator and Mixer output into the PA. I would rather do that than play through a digital amp.

    I would also never use gear purely for show while I was playing through something else. It's fake, period. I would go direct from my board/V-Twin to the PA while running the on-stage amp as just a monitor or to get controlled feedback, if I thought it would work better for the venue... but that would be because I needed a very small stage amp and to keep the level right down - and the amp would still be on.

    I will actually be using one of these methods with the bar band I've just joined, depending on whether I can hear myself via the PA or not. It will definitely make setting up easier, and should give a more uniform sound out front since everything else is going through the PA only (acoustic guitar, keyboards and vocals, plus sequenced drums and bass). Tone is not that important for this gig, but it's still not unimportant enough that I would ever use a modeler.


    (Feel free to substitute Tech21 or any other analog preamp wherever I put Mesa, BTW, if that's not your personal choice :).)
     
  10. HeeHaw

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    Only if it gets buttery tone.
     
  11. stump

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    I'm a tube amp junkie. If I were going to go through the trouble to prove a point, that modeling sounds as good as tubes or no one would notice the difference, I wouldn't hide the fact by dragging the gear to hide it. Guitar players and musicians with good ears notice the difference, the general public, not usually. In 1999 I had a L6 Flextone 212 combo and was gigging with it. While it was convenient to have the presets and floorboard capabilities the sound was 2 dimensional. We were playing covers and some musicians actually thought the tone was "fine for a modeler" the big problem for me was the lack of response and the ability of the sound to be inspiring and interactive to me as a player. In 2000, or so, I bought a Crate VFX 5212 tube amp, and even though it's only a "good" sounding tube amp the dimension of the tone was there, exactly what was missing in the modeler. I've since gotten rid of the Crate and L6 and own THD, Fender, Marshall and Peavey tube amps. I also own a Behringer V Amp2 and POD XT live that I use for home recording and practice and convenience of transportation. I have run side by side tests with both units against tube amps, as well as through tube amps and they still leave me with the same flat response. I think that digital modeling has come a long way but can not replace the interaction of a tube amplifier as an instrument. Just my .02.

    Regards

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  12. Baba

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    The simple answer is, yes. Because I HAVE to. I play the Sands Casino in Atlantic City, they have NO speakers on stage, a Roland V-kit, and POD's all around.

    I could, and have thought about bringing some sort of other floorboard/direct setup, but by the time I think about all of that, I go there, play a gig, have fun, and have no problem, I've done it a few times, and really don't see why I should change at this point.

    For my bar/outdoor gigs, yes, I usually use tubes of some sort, but I concentrate WAY more on playing/entertaining/singing harmonies/the rest of the band, than my own tones.
     
  13. LaXu

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    If I could avoid it, I wouldn't use the Line6. I always feel I can deliver my best when my tone is really great and that's just not happening with modelers. I use 1x12 combos anyway so it's not like it would be a massive difference on ease of setting up and taking the rig apart.

    I wouldn't use fake stacks either though. I think it'd be a lot cooler if the artist is "honest" about what (s)he uses. Lug that lil' combo on stage and forget the "three dozen 4x12s" look.

    Don't take me wrong, I don't hate modelers. In fact I've owned one (Yamaha DG combo) for longer than any other amp and I like how it sounds. But I'll still choose a top notch tube amp over it if given the choice.
     
  14. lukeness

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    I've used PODs live and my HD147 amp direct with no cab.

    I would DEFINITELY use this rig if I had to... but ONLY if the sound system is top notch. Fortunately, where I play, we have a pretty good sound system. However, real amps are allowed too, so I use my tubed amps.

    If I had a choice, I'd use my own tubed amp.
     
  15. raz

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    Yeah, it does. Which is why I'd leave the amp and cab at home. Less likely to get beer spilled on it anyway.

    I dunno...I always have the XT Live with me as my backup. I'd have no trouble gigging with it. But for me, the whole point of gigging is to get a chance to get the amp out and make a little noise.

    I keep saying I'm going to try a bar gig with just the XTL, but I never seem to get around to it.
     
  16. Rock Fella

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    if you wanted to get a light hearted laugh, youd put this on a bar stool behind you and put a mic in front of it , and wail away whilst you are hooked up to the POD and House PA , beats the 6 phony 4x12s for sure.
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    :AOK Jimmy
     
  17. electronpirate

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    Of course I would...if I gigged 10-20 times a month. Otherwise I'm bringing my Egnater.

    As far as the visuals of the amps on the backline: Whether we want to believe it or not, the visuals of the amps is part of the show. WHO CARES. I've been to plenty of shows where you couldn't see amps, only large 4x12's that pumped out as monitors, and more than a few where the amps onstage could not have possibly been working.

    And if visuals don't matter, then everyone here I'm sure just wears their old jeans and whatever ratty T-shirt was on the top of the pile this morning onstage.
     
  18. trower

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    I think this all boils down to the house
    power amps. After all, a Pod is basically a pre-amp. If the house is running VHT's or Mesa's etc. how bad can it sound? Their would be some tone tweaking of course but hell, even Carvins sound good with a Pod. I run a VHT 50/50 with a Pod in my living room for quick practice..besides a BBE it's all in one and sounds fantastic!
     
  19. Ed DeGenaro

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    Would I? Sure, but the I also gig with rental red knob Twins...
     
  20. Luke V

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    No way.:nono I'd play through a solid state amp before using a modeler.
     

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