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Xotic BB, BB-AT, & Custom Shop BBP-MB Comparison

sutherland

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Thought I would do a quick first impression write up of the new Xotic Custom Shop BBP-MB and how it compares to the stock and Timmons (BB-AT) model.

Xotic BBP-MB: First and foremost, really am impressed with the etched plating that Xotic has applied. The buffed silver top is a nice touch atop the raw enclosure and the Davies knobs were a nice modern appointment (in contrast to the stock classic pointers).

Prior to playing, my most major concern was if it retained the classic BB Preamp sound (unlike the BB+ Plus). That concern was quickly erased after the first couple chords. Just like the stock BB Preamp, it had a smooth and sweet overdrive with some crisp highs and smooth bass.

The Comparison: When A/B'd against the stock BB Preamp, the Output and Gain were about the same and I believe somewhere between 10 to 11 o'clock on the Mid Boost was equivalent to the mid response on the BB Preamp. 12 o'clock and up, brought forward a very assertive growl and in many ways, felt like an aftermarket hot-rodded BB Preamp. I found the sweet-spot for the Mid-Boost at 2, at that setting the Mid Boost did accentuate some treble frequencies (that were easily rolled off with the EQ). The most amazing thing about this active mid boost was the amount of presence and focus...it felt very alive and responsive.

Comparing to the BB-AT (Andy Timmons): The BB-AT is really a first generation BB Preamp. The most noticeable differences between it and the BB-MB/Stock version is the lower output and increased compression. However, the BB-AT is far more comfortable at delivering modern sounds. It's much smoother than the other two BBs and really is quite refined and very sweet.

I can definitely see myself putting away the Stock BB Preamp and using just the BBP-MB and BB-AT more. The fact is, although the BB-AT is compressed and lower in output, it also sounds incredible goosed up and yields a more modern distortion to the other two. The MB is amazing...very rich and has a very pronounced growl, all the flavors of the stock with a few more subtle tricks!

Here is a quick demo I slapped together....sorry for the shoddy quality. Did this all in one take and tried to keep it as simple as possible.



Cheers!
-Kris
 
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dalandan

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thank you! I fell in love with this pedal after hearing Andy Timmons demo it.

He should thank Xotic because he gained a few thousand more fans and lots of "electric gypsy" LSS.
 

jhuse

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have you tried a BB-Plus? I'm wondering it the MB is like Channel B of the Plus model?
 

PLAYLOUD

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have you tried a BB-Plus? I'm wondering it the MB is like Channel B of the Plus model?
Just to clarify, the BB+ has nothing in common with any of the BB other than using it in the name. I think after the fact some of us realized, by using the naming BB+ people just assumed it was another BB. When it fact its totally different.

And those differnences, from my experience, are less compression, more flexability, more complex tones and over the top gain/distortion.

In any event, a great pedal that I've enjoyed for a while now.
 

PLAYLOUD

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Thought I would do a quick first impression write up of the new Xotic Custom Shop BBP-MB and how it compares to the stock and Timmons (BB-AT) model.

Xotic BBP-MB: First and foremost, really am impressed with the etched plating that Xotic has applied. The buffed silver top is a nice touch atop the raw enclosure and the Davies knobs were a nice modern appointment (in contrast to the stock classic pointers).

Prior to playing, my most major concern was if it retained the classic BB Preamp sound (unlike the BB+ Plus). That concern was quickly erased after the first couple chords. Just like the stock BB Preamp, it had a smooth and sweet overdrive with some crisp highs and smooth bass.

The Comparison: When A/B'd against the stock BB Preamp, the Output and Gain were about the same and I believe somewhere between 10 to 11 o'clock on the Mid Boost was equivalent to the mid response on the BB Preamp. 12 o'clock and up, brought forward a very assertive growl and in many ways, felt like an aftermarket hot-rodded BB Preamp. I found the sweet-spot for the Mid-Boost at 2, at that setting the Mid Boost did accentuate some treble frequencies (that were easily rolled off with the EQ). The most amazing thing about this active mid boost was the amount of presence and focus...it felt very alive and responsive.

Comparing to the BB-AT (Andy Timmons): The BB-AT is really a first generation BB Preamp. The most noticeable differences between it and the BB-MB/Stock version is the lower output and increased compression. However, the BB-AT is far more comfortable at delivering modern sounds. It's much smoother than the other two BBs and really is quite refined and very sweet.

I can definitely see myself putting away the Stock BB Preamp and using just the BBP-MB and BB-AT more. The fact is, although the BB-AT is compressed and lower in output, it also sounds incredible goosed up and yields a more modern distortion to the other two. The MB is amazing...very rich and has a very pronounced growl, all the flavors of the stock with a few more subtle tricks!

Cheers!
-Kris

Kris,

That sounds pretty fair. Thanks for your comments
 

cr8z4life

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Ive had a BB for quite a while now and I love it.....I tried the BB+ and didnt like it. It wasnt for me......if it was a BB with a boost I probably would have liked it.......that said it sounds like I should try the new BB-mb.....
 

Last Nerve

There is no magic tone in a decal.
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I was really impressed by the BB-AT I played at a store.
Shouldn't bought that one.
 

sutherland

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have you tried a BB-Plus? I'm wondering it the MB is like Channel B of the Plus model?
I have tried the BB+ Plus and somewhere on this forum there is a very brief review I wrote. I wasn't the biggest fan of the unit, then again, I was expecting it to be two tweaked interpretations on the BB Preamp. There were some BB Preamp-esque sounds, but at the heart of it all, the BB+ was very much its own thing.

I really liken the Channel B side of the Plus model to the GT-500. It has a very modern gain structure, and like the GT-500, has an active baxandall EQ.

The MB is really like a GT version of the BB Preamp. Just touch more gain, a bit more growl...like having the sport package, all disc brakes, dual exhausts, and a slightly hotter engine.
 

oxtone

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I switched from a Copper BB, to the BB + Plus, and love it! I use the B channel now for all my overdrive sounds, and always get good comments on my tone using it. I set the A channel for very low gain, for cleaner sounds, but with a touch of grit. While I do miss my regular BB, I find the BB + to have more versatility. But, now I'm interested in the BBP MB.

Wish I had bought the BB-AT, too. Just wish Xotic would re-issue the BB-AT and do another run of them.

Either way, Xotic makes GREAT pedals! Also have the AC + Plus.
 
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Great review, I have one coming next week and can't wait. I have one of the very first BB's it's in a copper housing and it's my number 1 pedal. I also have the BB+ and it's cool, but I love the first better.
 

stratman89

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I just ordered a Custom Shop BBP-MB.............never owned an Xotic pedal, but definately looking forward to the new MB!
 
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Now that I have had some time to play with the BB MB, I really dig it and I totally agree with the review. I took it to practice last night and I loved it!!! This pedal sounds like the BB, but with more growl or balls. With the MB above 2 o'clock, it's a really nice ripping lead tone, perfect for Blues/Rock in front of a clean Blackface amp. I love the BB tone and this one took an already awesome sounding pedal and made even better. Xotic hit a home run with this one!!!!

 

sutherland

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Now that I have had some time to play with the BB MB, I really dig it and I totally agree with the review. I took it to practice last night and I loved it!!! This pedal sounds like the BB, but with more growl or balls. With the MB above 2 o'clock, it's a really nice ripping lead tone, perfect for Blues/Rock in front of a clean Blackface amp. I love the BB tone and this one took an already awesome sounding pedal and made even better. Xotic hit a home run with this one!!!!
Awesome! I'm glad to hear that the review was helpful and even more important, that the pedal is working as advertised!
 




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