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Yet another Gibson lawsuit situation....stop me if you're heard this one before

Discussion in 'Guitars in General' started by nasonm, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. nasonm

    nasonm Supporting Member

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    Posted by Satellite Amps and their Coronet style guitars.



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    I don't claim to be any sort of business expert or know anything about trademark law, but I'm thinking maybe...just maybe...they could have at least changed the name
     
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    For those who won't read the OP.

    This guy bought and owns the trademark to the coronet, which Gibson let go in the late 90's. Now that he's done well with the reissues he builds Gibson wants him shut down.
     
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    Who knows about the legality of it all, but those guitars look fantastic.
     
  6. Lt Dak

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    Awesome. The hits keep on coming.

    #sueauthentic
     
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  7. Otter351

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    They bought it FROM Gibson or Gibson never bothered to TM the name? Because, I don't see any trademark for "Coronet" prior to Satellite Amplifiers' filing in 2016. If so, Gibson can claim prior use which has precedence in past cases. Headstock looks awfully Epi-ish too, just playing with fire if you ask me. Not defending big G, but business is business and the law isn't always finders keepers
     
  8. Cheddar Kung Pao

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    On the one hand Gibson are definitely dickheads, on the other hand when he chose to reissue someone else's guitar with the same name it's definitely playing with fire.

    I definitely sympathize with the small builders but this is a case where he's to some degree made his own bed. Gibson should do the right thing and just buy the trademark from him IMHO. But I am not surprised they won't.
     
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    #buysatelliteamps
     
  10. zombiwoof

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    Doesn't the Epi Coronet have slightly offset horns?. Those guitars have symmetrical horns. I might be wrong about the offset though, I just thought they were very slightly different from each other.
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    The Kzoo Epiphone Coronet shape changed over time. Earlier was more symmetrical and more of a slab body. Might even predate the Gibson purchase of Epiphone. Along these lines, I like the French guy's guitars - Daguet? IIRC.

    I used to have a Coronet with the batwing headstock. Must have been in a display window cause the back was cherry and the front faded to brown. Traded it ' cause the neck was a bit too slim.
     
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    Gibson made that version of the Coronet for one year. If Gibson never trademarked the name, or let the mark lapse, and hasn't been using it since 1992, there's not a lot of solid ground for them to stand on.
     
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    They do look awesome. One of each, please.
     
  14. GiorgioV

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    This is not correct. Satellite started building the guitars in 2016. When Gibson dropped them a cease and desist letter, at that point they offered to pay for legal authorization from Gibson to call them Coronets ("buy the brand"), for around 80.000,00 dollars it seems.

    I think that they (a) should have used a different name to begin with and (b) should just tweak the shape a bit, change the headstock (which IS trademarked actually) and call it a day.
     
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    Source?

    If you change the shape and headstock a hair Gibson will still go after you, see: Heritage, PRS, Kiesel, Dean etc etc. Not counting those who've had to make secret agreements with Gibson to build guitars that are still a different shape.


    Gibson is doing what many very large companies with $$ to spend do: use and abuse trademark to the nTH degree to shut down competition to increase market share.


    Edit: You read Satellite's post incorrectly, what I said was correct, Satellite was building the guitars since 2016, did get the trademark and now 4 years later Gibson is going after them.
     
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  16. GiorgioV

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    I am not defending the way Gibson is acting. I am simply stating how I would go about the situation myself.

    https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=...TION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch

    The classic Gibson headstock has been trademarked since 1975 btw.
     
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    They're actually defending their property, but do go on.
     
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    Add a TE at the end. Coronette.
     
  19. Guitarworks

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    Stupefying litigious behavior out of Gibson as usual. They're not protecting their property; the rights do not belong to Gibson. Everything about the design was abandoned. Gibson is not required by the US govt. trademark office to protect anything in this scenario. Now that someone has found an untapped lucrative market for that castoff, Gibson wants it back. Gibson already has an enormous beautiful twelve-tier cake. And they're trying to stick their fingers into the mouths of those who scraped the cake pans to pull out abandoned cake crumbs.
     
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    The trademark was clearly incorrectly given to Satellite here. Like the Dean and Framus cases, he’ll likely be able to sell the same guitar shape (as Gibson didn’t enforce the trademark they had for some time) but he won’t be able to maintain a trademark on it himself I suspect.
     
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