All, Folks were very helpful with this type of thing when I made the description to get the Mesa V's. It helps a great deal. So, I thought I would try it again! I have been thinking I have a need for a more British voiced head. I have a Mesa V:25, Mesa V (full, BDRI (combo), 5e3 (combo), SwanPro RCS-20 (combo), and a few others. The Mesas are the primary amps for me. However I want some spice in there that has a British voice. The SwanPro does this now, very well (perhaps a bit too smooth at times), but it is a combo and does not have an effects loop. So it has not been getting a lot of love these days. I use an Unleash to get the loop when I use it. I am looking to take less stuff (i.e., no pedalboard, Unleash, etc). A more portable head cab solution is desired. This amp choice will replace it when I find the one that fits. I love the Mesa clean and drive, with the feel of the just breaking working for me here as well. I have a lot of pedals, and a number of them do the MIB very well. I am looking for a non-pedal in front rig with perhaps a delay in the loop type thing. I occasionally run a Wah but not a lot. I am feeling good about my Clean sounds right now. I am a bucker guy. SG's, LP's, HH Strats, HH Teles, HH Jags, Hamer Studio, etc. I have a SSS Strat and SS tele for those sounds but rely much more on the HH guitars. Priority: Head that is 25w or has a means to dial it back to small venue and home studio levels. It needs to have a decent effects loop. Things I like ... I use the V:25 as lot in the studio as a means of silent recording (Cab Clone). I also I often run it to the board when I am playing out (Cab Clone). This ability is not required but nice. I generally record by mic'ing a cab/speaker with Heil PR-30 and various room mics. The Cab Clone is spoiling me a bit. I am looking for Classic Rock, Dirty Blues, Dirty Clean (Country and Blues). At times I may mess with early 80 Hair Band stuff but not seriously. I want to get there without grabbing an extra pedal. If the amp had a nice reverb that would be even better. Certainly "extra" gain is fine so long as it can be dialed back to meet these needs (I am playing Mesa V's now). I typically set an amp up having the guitar volume and tone rolled back to 4-6 (generally vintage voiced humbuckers) and use the volume and tone knobs to get me the last bit. What I have done already. I have searched the board, and other boards for the last 9 months. I have listened to all the Youtube videos I can locate. I have played as many of the options as I can find within 2 hours drive of me, and while I have traveled around the country to the extent possible. I KNOW I need to play it to be know if it makes me happy and that you folks can't tell me this. What I can't do is find a locale with the things that seem to stand out for options here. I do not feel there are any bad choices on this list, so I am good with it in that sense. This is a more of a looking for "final input" before buying type thing. I am a 70/30 lead-ish player. I mix chords, rhythm and lead but in band context have usually been assigned the role of lead player. Yes, these are very different amps in many ways, including price point. What I can't tell at this point is how would the Mesa and the choice I make here will mesh. Obviously this has a LOT to do with how I EQ things and how the specific amps are setup at the time. Are there some of these that would not as easily play well with the Mesas? Amps I have liked the most and are on the final list (so far) ... Friedman PT-20/Runt. I tried it and a Runt 50 and like the voice of the PT-20 more. Both were running into a Friedman 1x12 V30 cab. Runt seemed more harsh, but not is a way I found desirable. I have heard the Runt loops are not great. I was not able to test the PT-20 to see how it dials back for studio/small venue levels. The "new" PT-20 has a switchable gain level thing that I think I might like. Would I miss a lot if I picked up a PT-20 used that did not have the switch? The PT-20 seems very smooth voiced. Perhaps for me too smooth. Is it something people have found too smooth? Will the smoothness of it get mushed with the smoothness of the Mesas? Rockerverb 50 MKIII. I know, this is a much bigger head but it seems to have some flexibility here. The "attenuation" that is built into it seems to get me where I want to go based on the clips/Youtube. It has a nice reverb, and in the Youtube and clips I hear it seems to have a bit of the British voice with a slight fuzz edge. I like that voice a lot. I have not been able to locate one to try. I fear it may be to "fuzzy" or "fizzy" at lower volumes in some clips/Youtubes as I have not found one to test drive I can't really tell. Does it do as well as it appears with the "just breaking" elements and responsiveness to the guitar volume knob control? Anyone with experience know? Does the attenuation really do what it is advertised at doing? Is it too raspy to get where I want to go? The new DSL 20 Head. Interestingly I have not been able to get my hands on the new one. Everyone seems to be trying to move the old ones around here. The old ones I was not able to get a sound out of at lower levels that I liked. It seemed harsh and fizzy at lower volumes. Can it do what I want here? It is certainly a MUCH cheaper way to go! Does the EL-34 tube element change it for the better compared to the old one? Does it seem to sound as "full" as the PT-20 seems to sound? OR15. Interestingly this one keeps popping back into the mix as well. Also a pretty inexpensive option in this list. Mostly due to Youtube clips. It is another I have not been able to get my hands on directly. It is may be a bit to raspy. Do you find it can be reasonably smoothed a bit. Can it sound as full as the PT-20 or Rockerverb. So anyone care this drop in their 2 cents to $37.50 (the value of Dos Equis's most interesting man's 2 cents worth)?